The Babble cesspool hasn't changed.

With the involuntary departure of the notorious audra trower estrones williams, and the installation of her understudy Michelle as the new head Moderator (Moderator my ass!), nothing has changed at Babble. It's still a Liberal hangout. Take a look at this thread:

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=005791

Several favoured Liberals launch one intentionally insincere critique after another, all accusing Manitoba NDP MP Pat Martin of being too pro-Tory. Many of these posters are obviously paid hacks, Liberal Party employees or hangers-on resubmitting material sent to them from the War Room that has in turn been extracted from the commercial mass media. Honest opinion it very plainly is not.

The result! When a poster called CCFer complains about the Liberal shilling, ... Michelle bans him! Could Bill Graham ask for more? Hard to say, but one thing's for sure. If he asks for more, Michelle will give it to him, just as audra would have done.

The Babble "Strike" Forum

For all those who admire audra trower estrones williams, and who enjoyed her "babble" bucketshop, there is now an alternative protest site they can attend It's called the Babble Strike Froum, meaning that audra's disciples and devotees, protesting her loss of job and paycheck, have taken to boycotting the babble site, or "striking" it as they put it. Remember that audra and Michelle cultivated a mix of Liberals and Communists and extreme feminists, few of them with any real labour credentials beyond Marxist rhetorician skills. So for that crowd, putting the thing into exciting, labour sounding terms makes them feel really grounded, ... when all it really does is show what a pathetic bunch of irrelevant political lightweights they really are.

And guess what? I am not a popular poster there, anymore than I was in audra's babble days, ... I got banned within a day. One of audra's fawning admirers, Hephaestion, started a thread calling me "a piece of shit". No shit, that is the actual title of the thread! Neither audra nor Michelle could have asked for more.

Here is a link to that thread and to the entire Babble Strike Forum:

http://babblestrike.lbprojects.com/viewtopic.php?t=85

Reading through, you can spot one of the babble favourites, Reality Bites, being much more polite than his usual foul-mouthed self, and you can see others posters who are just furiuous that I had the gall to go on rabble under false pretenses, ... this coming from fakes and phonies and anonymous windbags, cranks, etc., etc. You kind of have to laugh, they're all so silly. But at the same time, you can't help but feel a bit worried, too. audra and her handmaiden Michelle have trained these sheep well, and they have become humourless foot soldiers ready to do whatever it takes to show the fealty to their Mistress audra. She's really got them indoctrinated!

audra No Longer Rules

Apparently audra trower estrones williams has been fired as the main moderator of the Rabble.ca/Babble bucketshop. She was a biased and dishonest moderator who had no rules, only favourites and non-favourites. Her assistant Michelle behaved the same way.

I had several identities on babble, MT VIEW, Erik Poole, Budd Campbell, and MasterDebator. audra and Michelle banned them all, usually for talking back to one of their favourites, such as Scout, or Reality Bites.

Ironically, the first banning of MT VIEW was for making remarks critical of audra's mentor and patron, Judy Rebick. I claimed that Rebick had stabbed Audrey McLaughlin and the NDP in the back in order to get on the Liberal patonage bandwagon. Well, ... Rebick is now being criticized by audra's disciples and apologists and court followers and outright suckholes for firing audra. Neat, eh?

Have a nice day, audra. You've earned it.

An Exchange with Raymaker

Following below is an exchange of Emails with Derek Raymaker, a Toronto Liberal. Derek has used his Blog, "Born with a tail" { http://bornwithatail.blogspot.com/ }to suggest that I am somehow stalking audra trower estrones williams, the officially NDPish but in reality totally Liberal moderator of the Rabble.ca/babble bucketshop.


You're pretty tough behind your CUPE flat screen monitor. Like all the other
elflords.----- Original Message -----

From: "Bud Campbell" <budcampbell@hotmail.com>
To: <derekraymaker@rogers.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: "Consulting"
> ROTFLMAO! Sounds like you and audra have a lot in common!
>
> Budd
>
>
>
> >From: "Derek Raymaker" <derekraymaker@rogers.com>
> >To: "Bud Campbell" <budcampbell@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: "Consulting"
> >Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:05:55 -0500
> >
> >You're finished. Consider yourself officially disengaged from the Tail.
> >
> >Have a nice day, you stupid cunt.
> >d
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bud Campbell" <budcampbell@hotmail.com>
> >To: <derekraymaker@rogers.com>
> >Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 3:28 PM
> >Subject: Re: "Consulting"
> >
> >
> > > This is your idea of an intelligent reply is it? Not surprising. You
> > > people are finished.
> > >
> > > Budd.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Derek Raymaker" <derekraymaker@rogers.com>
> > > >To: "Bud Campbell" <budcampbell@hotmail.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: "Consulting"
> > > >Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:17:07 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Jesus, you are one stupid cunt.
> > > >d
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Bud Campbell" <budcampbell@hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <derekraymaker@rogers.com>
> > > >Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:49 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: "Consulting"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > How's the weather in Toronto, Derek? It's a fine day here in
> >Emerson
> > > > > country. Perhaps before the year is out, Stephen Owen will be the
> > > > > Ambassador to Washington, or a judge, and Emerson will be
> >representing
> > > > > Vancouver Quadra and Ian Waddell, or perhaps even Glen Clark, will
> >be
> > > > > representing Vancouver Kingsway.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wasn't aware Dave Stupich had died. Like many, he's a complex
> >man,
> > > >some
> > > > > good, some bad, and some of it quite bad unfortunately. Premier
> > > >Harcourt
> > > > > launched the forensic accounting investigations that finally
> >unravelled
> > > >the
> > > > > mess and led to charges. The previous SC Govt knew something was
> >fishy,
> > > >but
> > > > > did nothing, ... one of their Minister's, Jim Chabot, who knew
> > > >something,
> > > > > would sometimes taunt Stupich with interjections that consisted of
> >just
> > > >the
> > > > > word "Bingo". But Chabot, who was the Minister in charge of
> >lotteries
> > > >and
> > > > > gaming, never wanted to look into things too deeply because SC
used
> > > >vairous
> > > > > bingos themselves as fundraising gimmicks.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a result of the investigations into NCHS, the BC election
statute
> >is
> > > >now
> > > > > very restrictive on the use of any kind of game of chance. Even
> >little
> > > > > 50:50 draws have to be so extensively documented that they are
> >usually
> > > > > avoided.
> > > > >
> > > > > In any case, if I were you, I would not be worrying about what
will
> > > >happen
> > > > > to legitimate public servants organized by CUPE or PSAC or PIPS or
> >CAPE
> > > >or
> > > > > the OPSEU or the BCGEU or any other union. I would be worrying
> >about
> > > >what
> > > > > Liberals like yourself are going to do now that your party is over
> >$30
> > > > > million in debt, has far fewer individual donors than either the
> >Tories
> > > >or
> > > > > the NDP despite the never-ending patronage lists of lawyers,
> > > >consultants,
> > > > > etc., and is no longer in power and therefore no longer has access
> >to
> > > > > bottomless pits of Sponsorship loot. And Jean Chretien changed
the
> >Act
> > > >so
> > > > > that no party can access business any longer. In the game of
chess
> >they
> > > > > call this kind situation "checkmate".
> > > > >
> > > > > You pricks are really sucking on a dry hole, and it's going to get
a
> > > >whole
> > > > > lot drier. There is no new generation of idealistic youth who are
> >going
> > > >to
> > > > > rush to join the Liberals now that you're in Opposition. Why, ...
> >you
> > > >boys
> > > > > have lost your famous charm all of a sudden, ... shocking, isn't
it?
> > > >And
> > > > > even if they were, the kids don't have anywhere near the kind of
> > > >mega-cash
> > > > > you need, so the Young Liberals won't be able to throw kool
> > > >drugs/booze/sex
> > > > > parties because there won't be the endless bags of free money.
You
> > > >reckless
> > > > > bastards have painted yourselves into the tightest god-damn corner
> >I've
> > > >ever
> > > > > seen, and it's going to be neat watching over the next few months
as
> >the
> > > > > genetically predisposed arrogance smacks face-first into the
> > > >overwhelming
> > > > > odds, and starts to give way in favour of raw panic, sheer terror
at
> >the
> > > > > realization that you and your party are totally screwed for at
least
> >a
> > > > > generation, and quite possibly forever.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have a nice day in Toronto, Derek. Is there any way you can find
a
> >gig
> > > > > there for an enterprising young star named Bill Cunningham? I
don't
> > > >know
> > > >if
> > > > > he has any experience with garage bands, but maybe he could do the
> > > >blogging
> > > > > while you do the drug deals?
> > > > >
> > > > > Budd
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Derek Raymaker" <derekraymaker@rogers.com>
> > > > > >To: "Bud Campbell" <budcampbell@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: "Consulting"
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:28:15 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >So will you be going to Dave Stupich's funeral to pay your
> >'respects'?
> > > >I
> > > > > >mean, it's not like you've got any real work to do at CUPE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Bud Campbell" <budcampbell@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >To: <derekraymaker@rogers.com>
> > > > > >Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:42 AM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: "Consulting"
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You don't even have the slightest idea what you're talking
> >about,
> >do
> > > >you
> > > > > > > Raymaker? You really are a pathetic, dishonest Liberal hack.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Moe Sihota was hated by Liberals because of his talent, and
the
> >fact
> > > >he
> > > > > > > represented an ethnic community that filthy Liberal organizers
> > > >wanted
> > > >to
> > > > > > > take control of. So they used their influence in the Law
> >Sociiety
> > > >to
> > > > > >nail
> > > > > > > him with some phoney raps. Adrian Dix is bilingual, was for
> >several
> > > > > >years
> > > > > > > head of BC Parents for French, and since the 2005 election has
> >been
> > > > > >making
> > > > > > > headlines and having a very positive impact as the opposiiton
> >critic
> > > >for
> > > > > > > family and children's issues, and some of the coverage has
> >extended
> > > > > > > nationally.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're a typical rock bottom Toronto Liberal ratfucker,
> >Raymaker.
> > > >What
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > hell pigs like you are going to do now that the partonage is
cut
> >off
> > > >I
> > > > > >have
> > > > > > > no idea. I guess you just figure that if you're big enough
> >liars,
> > > >some
> > > > > > > other abusive and dishonest organization will pick you up and
> >make
> > > > > > > profitable use of you. Who knows, ... you might end up
working
> >for
> > > >the
> > > > > >CIA
> > > > > > > or some simliar outfit!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Budd
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "Derek Raymaker" <derekraymaker@rogers.com>
> > > > > > > >To: "Bud Campbell" <budcampbell@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: "Consulting"
> > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:07:14 -0500
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I should know you're a BC government employee when you write
> > > > > >long-winded
> > > > > > > >lies in the middle of the afternoon when you should be
working.
> > > >That
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >fact your spelling is crap.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I've got two words for you, Bud:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Moe Sihota.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Oh, I've got two more for you:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Adrian Dix.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Have a nice weekend, asshole.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >derek
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > >From: "Bud Campbell" <budcampbell@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > >To: <derekraymaker@rogers.com>
> > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:56 PM
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: "Consulting"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > People like you are completely dishonest, rally repugnant
> >stuff.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I never took a patronage appointment in my life, and your
> >stupid
> > > >and
> > > > > > > > > dishonest crack about Glen Clark is more proof of your
> >pathetic
> > > > > >Liberal
> > > > > > > > > dishonesty. One reason Glen Clark lost is that he refused
> >to
> > > >hand
> > > > > >out
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > spoils some demanded. Your Liberal campaign consultants
> >like
> > > >Mike
> > > > > > > >Geoghegan
> > > > > > > > > are proof of that. He had been with the NDP and when his
> > > >Minister
> > > > > >lost
> > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > Clark wouldn't give him a cushy appointment, he went over
to
> >the
> > > > > > > >Liberals
> > > > > > > > > and became one of Clark's most bitter opponents.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As a govenment employee I have been seriously concerned
> >about
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >Liberal
> > > > > > > > > Govt's erosion of the merit principle and ever increasing
> >doses
> > > >of
> > > > > > > > > administrative patronage by the career bureaucrats being
> > > >tolerated.
> > > > > >You
> > > > > > > > > link that up to the Sponshorship scandal, where hundreds
of
> > > >career
> > > > > >civil
> > > > > > > > > servants in Ottawa REFUSED to blow the whistle, because
they
> > > >wanted
> > > > > >to
> > > > > > > >be
> > > > > > > > > nice to the Liberals, and you can see a real cancer
starting
> >to
> > > > > >grow.
> > > > > > > >If
> > > > > > > > > that trend had been allowed to continue you would have, in
> >ten
> > > >or
> > > > > > > >fifteen
> > > > > > > > > years time, have been living in a country where your
> >passport
> > > >and
> > > > > > > >drivers
> > > > > > > > > licence renewal would cost you $100 on the table and $500
> >under
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >table.
> > > > > > > > > All thanks to patronage pigs like you, plus an apathetic
> > > >electorate,
> > > > > > > > > especially in Toronto but here in Vancouver too, that will
> > > >excuse
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > Liberals anything.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Budd.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: "Derek Raymaker" <derekraymaker@rogers.com>
> > > > > > > > > >To: <budcampbell@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: "Consulting"
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:52:21 -0500
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Sounds like you know your way around the trough better
than
> >I
> > > >do,
> > > > > > > >asshole.
> > > > > > > > > >Glen Clark must have been very good to you.
> > > > > > > > > >derek
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > >_________________________________________________________________

Are Rabble and audra's days numbered?

I wonder if anyone knows how long Rabble will last under the Conservatives? I believe they get some federal funding redirected to them through a Montreal group called Alternatives. These funds pay for the two salaries, the Editor and the "Moderator", that redoubtable Liberal, audra trower estrones williams.

With the federal funds facing cutoff, what's audra's next move? The Liberal Party itself is broke, so that's not an option. Is Buzz Hargrove going to make a spot for her in the CAW offices? It could get interesting!

audra Still Rules!

audra trower estrones williams still rules at babble, the supposedly progressive political discussion group that is, in reality, nothing more than a front for Liberals, communists, and extreme feminists.

Since she removed Budd Campbell, she has now shutdown two subsequent identities for the same offence, being rude to her Liberals. This latest shutdown occured during the federal election, when the need to keep babble and Canada safe for Liberal patronage is particularly urgent.

There are some people of distinction, such as lawyers Jeff House and Wilf Day, who continue to post on babble using their real names and without expressing the slightest concern about audra, and michelle's, biased and intentionally partisan moderating.

This is a subject I will return to, obviously. My intention is to get a new identity going on babble, and then, using an Internet cafe where the IP address won't be recognized, private message many of the babble regulars with a link to this site plus a complete rundown of all the identities I have used on babble. My hope is that eventually people with some character will object strongly enough that babble will be cleaned up and removed from the Liberal propaganda network. That will necessarily mean resignations or dismissals for audra and michelle.

The Rabble

Once upon a time, I, Budd Campbell, was a babbler on www.rabble.ca/babble. That all ended when the "moderator" in chief, audra trouwer estrones williams banned me. My offense? I had posted a copy of the posting etiquette rules in her jealously protected "FEMINISM FORUM". With the ready assistance of her handmaiden Scout, audra readily saw this for what it was. Irresponsible "trolling" and she terminated my membership. Permanently!

I wrote to the official Editor, some rather matronly looking woman called Sharon Fraser, and got the predictably dismissive and silly reply. Also, posted on the rabble board, was a message from a writer called Judy MacDonald, who calls herself "writer" in babble land, and who used to have Sharon Fraser's job.

The gist of her reply was that she had personally hand-picked audra and audra rules. No exceptions allowed, and no explanations needed. Part of the pitch was the male posters like me should not be "shutting down" the female posters in the FEMINISM FORUM. By derailing discussions and being pricks, we are really being pricks. This, I kid you not, is the standard of logic that prevails in babble land.

As an NDP supporter, I often grieve and wonder at why the party doesn't do better. For an explanation, one can do no better than to read the material on babble.